Comments on: Frustrations with DC http://speedforce.org/2008/06/frustrations-with-dc/ Tracking the Flash - the Fastest Man Alive Mon, 21 May 2012 10:32:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Dave http://speedforce.org/2008/06/frustrations-with-dc/#comment-209 Dave Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:00:34 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=87#comment-209 Well I think the main Problem with making Bart FLash is they they just said "make Bart Flash" with out research who Bart was and what made him special Well I think the main Problem with making Bart FLash is they they just said “make Bart Flash” with out research who Bart was and what made him special

]]> By: huffa2 http://speedforce.org/2008/06/frustrations-with-dc/#comment-57 huffa2 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:45:26 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=87#comment-57 <blockquote>2. Mishandling of the Flash after Geoff Johns left. Six creative changes in three years. Two relaunches, and possibly a third coming up. A high-profile launch with writers who hadn’t adjusted to the medium. Starting both relaunches with slow burns instead of hitting the ground running.</blockquote> So, so true, but here's the thing - I love love Wally but replacing him with Bart worked and made sense. The problem wasn't with the idea that was continuing the Flash legacy, but in placing the blame on the character when it didn't work, instead of the creative team. Mark Waid should have had the job to rebirth the Flash, not fix it up.

2. Mishandling of the Flash after Geoff Johns left. Six creative changes in three years. Two relaunches, and possibly a third coming up. A high-profile launch with writers who hadn’t adjusted to the medium. Starting both relaunches with slow burns instead of hitting the ground running.

So, so true, but here’s the thing – I love love Wally but replacing him with Bart worked and made sense. The problem wasn’t with the idea that was continuing the Flash legacy, but in placing the blame on the character when it didn’t work, instead of the creative team. Mark Waid should have had the job to rebirth the Flash, not fix it up.

]]> By: rwe1138 http://speedforce.org/2008/06/frustrations-with-dc/#comment-55 rwe1138 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:18:33 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=87#comment-55 You need to read Manhunter & Blue Beetle. ;) You need to read Manhunter & Blue Beetle. ;)

]]> By: Kelson http://speedforce.org/2008/06/frustrations-with-dc/#comment-54 Kelson Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:46:24 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=87#comment-54 The thing is, even when DC realized that Bart's series wasn't working as launched, they didn't <em>have</em> to <em>kill</em> him. Readers responded positively when Guggenheim took over. Sales started leveling out, and #12 actually climbed up a little -- even before the <i>Countdown</i>/Fastest Man Dead stuff came out and #13 spiked. And even if they did want to start over with Wally -- they could have done so without killing Bart. Examples: Depower him (temporarily). Make him a teen again. Give him a multiverse-hopping or time-traveling mission. Have him screw up and decide he needs more practice before being "the" Flash. Let Bart be the Flash of Los Angeles while Wally's the Flash of Central/Keystone. Killing Bart was a choice they made to set up <i>Salvation Run</i> and the "Villains Defiant" thread in <i>Countdown</i>. As for weekly books: <i>52</i> was brilliant. <i>Countdown</i> was a mess. <i>Trinity</i> looks like it has potential, but I'm waiting for the trade and word of mouth this time. The thing is, even when DC realized that Bart’s series wasn’t working as launched, they didn’t have to kill him. Readers responded positively when Guggenheim took over. Sales started leveling out, and #12 actually climbed up a little — even before the Countdown/Fastest Man Dead stuff came out and #13 spiked. And even if they did want to start over with Wally — they could have done so without killing Bart.

Examples: Depower him (temporarily). Make him a teen again. Give him a multiverse-hopping or time-traveling mission. Have him screw up and decide he needs more practice before being “the” Flash. Let Bart be the Flash of Los Angeles while Wally’s the Flash of Central/Keystone.

Killing Bart was a choice they made to set up Salvation Run and the “Villains Defiant” thread in Countdown.

As for weekly books: 52 was brilliant. Countdown was a mess. Trinity looks like it has potential, but I’m waiting for the trade and word of mouth this time.

]]> By: Will http://speedforce.org/2008/06/frustrations-with-dc/#comment-53 Will Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:24:20 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=87#comment-53 Great post. I couldn't agree with you more. DC has recently been destroying their franchise bit by bit. The stories are no longer compelling. The characters are not interesting or relatable. Resurrecting the careers of 70 and 80's C-list super heroes is not a way to revitalize your brand, and then killing them off makes it even more worthless. Weekly books clearly suffer in the art and writing departments. Changing the Flash to Bart Allen and going with a relatively inexperienced writing team was such a huge blunder that they ultimately had to just kill the character off and 'start over' again with Wally. I'm glad to have Wally back... but wow that was a huge mistake. Meanwhile Marvel continues to produce provocative, interesting stories and major events. And don't get me started on the difference in the movie productions that Marvel and DC have been working on. Great post. I couldn’t agree with you more. DC has recently been destroying their franchise bit by bit.

The stories are no longer compelling. The characters are not interesting or relatable. Resurrecting the careers of 70 and 80′s C-list super heroes is not a way to revitalize your brand, and then killing them off makes it even more worthless. Weekly books clearly suffer in the art and writing departments.

Changing the Flash to Bart Allen and going with a relatively inexperienced writing team was such a huge blunder that they ultimately had to just kill the character off and ‘start over’ again with Wally. I’m glad to have Wally back… but wow that was a huge mistake.

Meanwhile Marvel continues to produce provocative, interesting stories and major events. And don’t get me started on the difference in the movie productions that Marvel and DC have been working on.

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