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	<title>Comments on: Disney Buys Marvel: What The&#8211;?!</title>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4993</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with kelson on this, I don&#039;t see Disney changing how they view copyright extensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with kelson on this, I don&#8217;t see Disney changing how they view copyright extensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4959</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Press Releases are just positive advertising they do not make it written in stone that it will stay the same regarding royalty payments, creator credits and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Press Releases are just positive advertising they do not make it written in stone that it will stay the same regarding royalty payments, creator credits and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Demas</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4951</link>
		<dc:creator>Demas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is how directly applicable the precedent or statute will be and the degree of retroactivity Disney pursues.  Copyrights aren&#039;t 100% fungible.  Anything one can use to distinguish them will allow you to avoid infringement piecemeal (Superman&#039;s unique timeframe and trademark interaction, for example).  Especially with something as broad as &quot;characters&quot;, judges are going to look for ways to narrow the definition on derivative work.  On paper, the Constitutional principle is that- remember, pulp fiction- characters like Tarzan &amp; Sherlock Holmes should go to the public domain.

Sure, Disney had impetus to continue to extend copyright, generally- BUT whether that trend persists in Congress or in courts is another question.  With Marvel on board, you can bet there will be some directly on-point lobbying and cases which Marvel may not have had the will or funding to fight on their own and are directly applicable for DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is how directly applicable the precedent or statute will be and the degree of retroactivity Disney pursues.  Copyrights aren&#8217;t 100% fungible.  Anything one can use to distinguish them will allow you to avoid infringement piecemeal (Superman&#8217;s unique timeframe and trademark interaction, for example).  Especially with something as broad as &#8220;characters&#8221;, judges are going to look for ways to narrow the definition on derivative work.  On paper, the Constitutional principle is that- remember, pulp fiction- characters like Tarzan &amp; Sherlock Holmes should go to the public domain.</p>
<p>Sure, Disney had impetus to continue to extend copyright, generally- BUT whether that trend persists in Congress or in courts is another question.  With Marvel on board, you can bet there will be some directly on-point lobbying and cases which Marvel may not have had the will or funding to fight on their own and are directly applicable for DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4950</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What difference would Marvel&#039;s properties have on Disney&#039;s copyright extension efforts.  They already wield plenty of influence and have plenty of motivation with Mickey Mouse, whose creation date is the standard by which copyright extensions are made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What difference would Marvel&#8217;s properties have on Disney&#8217;s copyright extension efforts.  They already wield plenty of influence and have plenty of motivation with Mickey Mouse, whose creation date is the standard by which copyright extensions are made.</p>
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		<title>By: Demas</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4948</link>
		<dc:creator>Demas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The long term effects are right there in the press release... their goal is to grow (and from Marvel&#039;s perspective, with a parent/less-risk than going at it alone).

Creator rights are irrelevant in the mainstream superhero genre.  Superhero comics are business, not art.  The creator-owned off-shoots of the 90s begged to differ, but corporations are better at business than artists and the only artists who survived were the ones who turned into businessmen.  Marvel &amp; DC properties are larger than talent- which helps in the snowball effect, but are far from necessary to push comics which have never really been high-art... there&#039;s always going to be hungry writers and wannabe screenplay writers who&#039;ll do a comic cheap and well-enough (see: Johns).  To that extent, creators and creativity aren&#039;t high value commodities (heck, look at how Decimation was a mutant clearing house).  Disney bought established IP &amp; corporate structure, not so much talent.

Disney could probably gut Marvel Comics and still profit handsomely and grow the IP with Marvel Entertainment alone (but probably won&#039;t), since the comics are convenient paid-for advertisement for merch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long term effects are right there in the press release&#8230; their goal is to grow (and from Marvel&#8217;s perspective, with a parent/less-risk than going at it alone).</p>
<p>Creator rights are irrelevant in the mainstream superhero genre.  Superhero comics are business, not art.  The creator-owned off-shoots of the 90s begged to differ, but corporations are better at business than artists and the only artists who survived were the ones who turned into businessmen.  Marvel &amp; DC properties are larger than talent- which helps in the snowball effect, but are far from necessary to push comics which have never really been high-art&#8230; there&#8217;s always going to be hungry writers and wannabe screenplay writers who&#8217;ll do a comic cheap and well-enough (see: Johns).  To that extent, creators and creativity aren&#8217;t high value commodities (heck, look at how Decimation was a mutant clearing house).  Disney bought established IP &amp; corporate structure, not so much talent.</p>
<p>Disney could probably gut Marvel Comics and still profit handsomely and grow the IP with Marvel Entertainment alone (but probably won&#8217;t), since the comics are convenient paid-for advertisement for merch.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4947</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we haven&#039;t seen long term effects yet, especially payment effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we haven&#8217;t seen long term effects yet, especially payment effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Demas</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4946</link>
		<dc:creator>Demas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two biggest repercussions for DC fans are:

1. DC characters will never go into the public domain now, as Disney will lobby to keep perpetual control over Marvel characters upon which Time/WB/DC can directly rely.

2. In Disney/Marvel&#039;s ideal scenario their IP grows in such a way that DC&#039;s market share is decimated.  Talent ultimately goes where the money and their childhoods are, the fans follow the talent, and it all snowballs unless the WB really steps up to grow DC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two biggest repercussions for DC fans are:</p>
<p>1. DC characters will never go into the public domain now, as Disney will lobby to keep perpetual control over Marvel characters upon which Time/WB/DC can directly rely.</p>
<p>2. In Disney/Marvel&#8217;s ideal scenario their IP grows in such a way that DC&#8217;s market share is decimated.  Talent ultimately goes where the money and their childhoods are, the fans follow the talent, and it all snowballs unless the WB really steps up to grow DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4944</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A-hurh! I&#039;m the best at what I do - Woo hoo!&quot; (Switch to Mr. Wheeler face.) &quot;And what I do isn&#039;t very nice!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A-hurh! I&#8217;m the best at what I do &#8211; Woo hoo!&#8221; (Switch to Mr. Wheeler face.) &#8220;And what I do isn&#8217;t very nice!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4943</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, my first reaction was the Warner/DC thing too. I imagine the powers that be will probably let Marvel remain largely autonomous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, my first reaction was the Warner/DC thing too. I imagine the powers that be will probably let Marvel remain largely autonomous.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2009/08/disney-marvel/#comment-4942</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I went there when it opened. The Florida park has the BEST spider man ride. EVER. And the X-Men walk around. S&#039;not nearly as ghetto as Magic Mountain though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I went there when it opened. The Florida park has the BEST spider man ride. EVER. And the X-Men walk around. S&#8217;not nearly as ghetto as Magic Mountain though.</p>
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