Comments on: Can the Flash Survive Another 6-Part Epic Relaunch? http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/ Tracking the Flash - the Fastest Man Alive Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:47:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Review: The Flash #1 | First Comics News http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-10717 Review: The Flash #1 | First Comics News Fri, 16 Apr 2010 04:39:01 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-10717 [...] moves in a way that the last three “first issues” of a Flash launch didn’t. The opening segment, after the equivalent of a cinematic pan-in, is one long action sequence. The [...] [...] moves in a way that the last three “first issues” of a Flash launch didn’t. The opening segment, after the equivalent of a cinematic pan-in, is one long action sequence. The [...]

]]> By: Mike Haseloff http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4911 Mike Haseloff Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:52:57 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4911 With the announcement of Johns on the relaunch series-proper, I've been thinking of <i>Rebirth</i> as a prelude and isolated exploration of [Barry Allen]'s "rebirth", moreso than an actual relaunch. Whether or not that's an accurate assessment obviously won't be completely evident until the end of the mini, but I'm expecting the last issue to wrap on a tease and post-resolution moment, rather than the actual beginning of the new series. A frayed end to a finite story. .-= Mike Haseloff’s latest blog post: <a href="http://secretearths.blogspot.com/2009/06/cover-2-cover-dc-2009-mid-year-recap.html" rel="nofollow"></a> =-. With the announcement of Johns on the relaunch series-proper, I’ve been thinking of Rebirth as a prelude and isolated exploration of [Barry Allen]‘s “rebirth”, moreso than an actual relaunch.

Whether or not that’s an accurate assessment obviously won’t be completely evident until the end of the mini, but I’m expecting the last issue to wrap on a tease and post-resolution moment, rather than the actual beginning of the new series. A frayed end to a finite story.
.-= Mike Haseloff’s latest blog post: =-.

]]> By: Perplexio http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4820 Perplexio Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:06:25 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4820 I don't believe the decision to kill off the adult Bart was Guggenheim's. He wasn't forced to write the rogues the way he wrote them but he was put into a position where he had to create a motivation for them to want to kill Bart within a relatively short timespan. I felt he did the best he could with the limited time he had. Could it have been written better and/or fleshed out more? Absolutely! But could it have been written better within the time constraints-- that's a tougher call. I thought <i>Final Crisis: Rogues Revenge</i> made up for how sloppy the rogues were written in the last couple issues of FFMA. Granted the latter wasn't Guggenheim's work. I do hope that with Flash: Blackest Night that both Zoom and Thad Thawne (as Kid Zoom, not as Inertia) are brought back though. I don’t believe the decision to kill off the adult Bart was Guggenheim’s. He wasn’t forced to write the rogues the way he wrote them but he was put into a position where he had to create a motivation for them to want to kill Bart within a relatively short timespan. I felt he did the best he could with the limited time he had. Could it have been written better and/or fleshed out more? Absolutely! But could it have been written better within the time constraints– that’s a tougher call.

I thought Final Crisis: Rogues Revenge made up for how sloppy the rogues were written in the last couple issues of FFMA. Granted the latter wasn’t Guggenheim’s work.

I do hope that with Flash: Blackest Night that both Zoom and Thad Thawne (as Kid Zoom, not as Inertia) are brought back though.

]]> By: West http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4811 West Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:12:05 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4811 Yeah. He seemed pretty hot over it. I'm not a fan of the art of the series or the apparent tone of it (Power Girl's series, that is) but I'm fond of the character. I don't think he has ANY fondness for the character so the "shock" of seeing that she's taking up 1/xth of his apparently super-long Flash comic worked the hell out of his nerves. I guess I can understand the feeling moreso than its expression. .-= West’s latest blog post: <a href="http://west3man.blogspot.com/2009/06/skyfire-is-bad-mutha.html" rel="nofollow">SkyFire is a bad mutha...</a> =-. Yeah. He seemed pretty hot over it. I’m not a fan of the art of the series or the apparent tone of it (Power Girl’s series, that is) but I’m fond of the character.

I don’t think he has ANY fondness for the character so the “shock” of seeing that she’s taking up 1/xth of his apparently super-long Flash comic worked the hell out of his nerves. I guess I can understand the feeling moreso than its expression.
.-= West’s latest blog post: SkyFire is a bad mutha… =-.

]]> By: West http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4810 West Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:42:31 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4810 I'm fine with them criticizing and, in-general, loving a series. It gets odd when theat criticism has zero impact on the rating they'll give the book. "Five stars!" It felt like they're either concerned that they'll offend rabid fans... Or they ARE rabid fans. (By "rabid fans" I mean the enthusiasts who can't stand to have their favorite character, writer, comic company, etc criticized in the open or some such.) I love the character too. Maybe it's had such a rough time in recent years that some of us don't want to get too down on it for fear that we'll fall out-of-love with the character - for lack of a better word. .-= West’s latest blog post: <a href="http://west3man.blogspot.com/2009/06/skyfire-is-bad-mutha.html" rel="nofollow">SkyFire is a bad mutha...</a> =-. I’m fine with them criticizing and, in-general, loving a series. It gets odd when theat criticism has zero impact on the rating they’ll give the book. “Five stars!”

It felt like they’re either concerned that they’ll offend rabid fans… Or they ARE rabid fans. (By “rabid fans” I mean the enthusiasts who can’t stand to have their favorite character, writer, comic company, etc criticized in the open or some such.)

I love the character too. Maybe it’s had such a rough time in recent years that some of us don’t want to get too down on it for fear that we’ll fall out-of-love with the character – for lack of a better word.
.-= West’s latest blog post: SkyFire is a bad mutha… =-.

]]> By: papa zero http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4808 papa zero Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:14:48 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4808 While I feel like the premise is on shakey ground as stated in my above comment... I do recognize that this story is intended to show what Barry is by contrasting him as what he isn't. It just seems a bit of a stretch. Where is Ralph Dibney when you need him? In the past I've pointed out things that I'm not particularly fond of - but I never take myself too seriously. :) I think Kelson has pointed out a dilemma that speaks to all comics - and the irony is that this particular formula may very well be on it's way out as quickly as it arrived when the market shifts to online media. While I feel like the premise is on shakey ground as stated in my above comment… I do recognize that this story is intended to show what Barry is by contrasting him as what he isn’t. It just seems a bit of a stretch. Where is Ralph Dibney when you need him? In the past I’ve pointed out things that I’m not particularly fond of – but I never take myself too seriously. :)

I think Kelson has pointed out a dilemma that speaks to all comics – and the irony is that this particular formula may very well be on it’s way out as quickly as it arrived when the market shifts to online media.

]]> By: Kelson http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4807 Kelson Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:22:04 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4807 I want to clarify that this post is <strong>not about the scheduling delays</strong>. I expanded it from a comment I made on <a href="http://blog.comicbookrevolution.net/2009/06/comic-book-review-flash-rebirth-3.html" rel="nofollow">Rokk Krinn's review of issue #3</a>, the day after it came out. At the time, I had no reason to believe we'd be waiting longer than 6 weeks for the next issue. It's about story structure, and how the structure chosen to relaunch the Flash interacts with the nature of the character, with serialized publishing, and with the goal of launching a series based on a troubled character. I want to clarify that this post is not about the scheduling delays. I expanded it from a comment I made on Rokk Krinn’s review of issue #3, the day after it came out. At the time, I had no reason to believe we’d be waiting longer than 6 weeks for the next issue.

It’s about story structure, and how the structure chosen to relaunch the Flash interacts with the nature of the character, with serialized publishing, and with the goal of launching a series based on a troubled character.

]]> By: Kelson http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4806 Kelson Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:14:31 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4806 And of course, which statements are honesty and which are unnecessary nitpicking depend entirely on whether the reader/listener agrees with the statement. ;-) And of course, which statements are honesty and which are unnecessary nitpicking depend entirely on whether the reader/listener agrees with the statement. ;-)

]]> By: Kelson http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4805 Kelson Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:12:31 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4805 Yeah, that was a bit of a disconnect. I wonder if the one guy ever got over the free Power Girl preview? Yeah, that was a bit of a disconnect. I wonder if the one guy ever got over the free Power Girl preview?

]]> By: CM22 http://speedforce.org/2009/08/stop-the-6-part-epics/#comment-4803 CM22 Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:40:52 +0000 http://speedforce.org/?p=4035#comment-4803 It matters to some degree, and on an individual level sure, but on the 10's of thousands of readers scale? A number 1 is always going to draw more readers in than the best story in the world. You can solicit, advertise and promote a new number 1, and no matter what, as long as it is in fact a number 1 on the cover, it's going to sell. But you can't sell people a story is amazing or brilliant until the story has actually already come out, at which point print runs are already done, store orders have been sold from the distributor. It matters to some degree, and on an individual level sure, but on the 10′s of thousands of readers scale? A number 1 is always going to draw more readers in than the best story in the world. You can solicit, advertise and promote a new number 1, and no matter what, as long as it is in fact a number 1 on the cover, it’s going to sell. But you can’t sell people a story is amazing or brilliant until the story has actually already come out, at which point print runs are already done, store orders have been sold from the distributor.

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