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		<title>By: The Dark Future &#171; The Comic Connoisseur</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17875</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dark Future &#171; The Comic Connoisseur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the center of attention.  Plus, there&#8217;s another issue that another review (see here: http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/) brought up that I didn&#8217;t even think about.  If the Renegades arrested the Flash now, that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the center of attention.  Plus, there&#8217;s another issue that another review (see here: <a href="http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/" rel="nofollow">http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/</a>) brought up that I didn&#8217;t even think about.  If the Renegades arrested the Flash now, that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Perplexio</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17500</link>
		<dc:creator>Perplexio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ReBirth was needed to show that the past CAN be changed by Zoom.  I think Johns wanted to establish Prof. Zoom meddling with the past as a plot device before launching the ongoing so he&#039;d have that to fall back on for future stories in the ongoing.  

I still think the Zoom altering the past is going to tie into the Capt. Boomerang ressurection at some point in the future.  I think Digger made a deal with the devil so to speak.  He&#039;s in league with Prof. Zoom right now and in return down the road somewhere Zoom will undo the events of Blackest Night that led to Owen&#039;s death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ReBirth was needed to show that the past CAN be changed by Zoom.  I think Johns wanted to establish Prof. Zoom meddling with the past as a plot device before launching the ongoing so he&#8217;d have that to fall back on for future stories in the ongoing.  </p>
<p>I still think the Zoom altering the past is going to tie into the Capt. Boomerang ressurection at some point in the future.  I think Digger made a deal with the devil so to speak.  He&#8217;s in league with Prof. Zoom right now and in return down the road somewhere Zoom will undo the events of Blackest Night that led to Owen&#8217;s death.<br />
<span class="cluv">Perplexio recently posted&#8230;<a class="59ee2029de 17500" href="http://dancingaboutarchitecture.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,35.msg322.html#msg322">Re- Favorite Big Band-Swing Classics-Standards</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip  17500" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://speedforce.org/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17461</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  Regarding having to read the stories a few at a time, I&#039;ve noticed the same with the Golden Age material.  I really like a lot of the Jay Garrick stuff, but there&#039;s also a lot of it that&#039;s just silly comedy -- and nowhere near as good as Looney Tunes or Disney cartoons from the same era.

I guess it&#039;s a mix of changing tastes in entertainment and target audience. Up through maybe the 1980s, most super-hero comics really were aimed at kids. On the other hand, so were Looney Tunes and Disney, and those hold up better. *shrug*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  Regarding having to read the stories a few at a time, I&#8217;ve noticed the same with the Golden Age material.  I really like a lot of the Jay Garrick stuff, but there&#8217;s also a lot of it that&#8217;s just silly comedy &#8212; and nowhere near as good as Looney Tunes or Disney cartoons from the same era.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s a mix of changing tastes in entertainment and target audience. Up through maybe the 1980s, most super-hero comics really were aimed at kids. On the other hand, so were Looney Tunes and Disney, and those hold up better. *shrug*</p>
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		<title>By: Devin "The Flash" Johnson</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17451</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin "The Flash" Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great review Kelson. I had similar thoughts about the hokiness of the Mirror Lords when I first read that but then as The Top went into a lengthy Silver Age-inspired, over the top explanation about the future it made me smile. 

I definitely preferred Wally&#039;s comic to Barry&#039;s because it seemed more contemporary and relatable. Which is obviously because Wally&#039;s comic ran from the late eighties to 2006 while Barry&#039;s run began back in the late fifties. As a result Barry&#039;s stories often consisted of ridiculous plot devices or contrivances that didn&#039;t endear themselves to me as much as I hoped they would. I own The Flash Archives Volumes 1-5 and sometimes I found it hard to get through them. That&#039;s a pretty pricey investment for something I won&#039;t soon be reading again.

Geoff&#039;s ongoing challenge is to take Barry Allen and make him the main Flash again and give the book a unique voice and character all it&#039;s own, while still maintaining Barry&#039;s rather simple core values. Sure he is forcing it a bit when trying to make the characters younger and relatable but by adapting previous storytelling techniques into the new stories in a tongue in cheek manner he is ramping up not only the fun factor but the nostalgia factor as well. It&#039;s not completely on target but I think he is getting there. It is definitely another step in the right direction. I can&#039;t fault him for wanting to utilize the past instead of completely casting it aside as so many creators do these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great review Kelson. I had similar thoughts about the hokiness of the Mirror Lords when I first read that but then as The Top went into a lengthy Silver Age-inspired, over the top explanation about the future it made me smile. </p>
<p>I definitely preferred Wally&#8217;s comic to Barry&#8217;s because it seemed more contemporary and relatable. Which is obviously because Wally&#8217;s comic ran from the late eighties to 2006 while Barry&#8217;s run began back in the late fifties. As a result Barry&#8217;s stories often consisted of ridiculous plot devices or contrivances that didn&#8217;t endear themselves to me as much as I hoped they would. I own The Flash Archives Volumes 1-5 and sometimes I found it hard to get through them. That&#8217;s a pretty pricey investment for something I won&#8217;t soon be reading again.</p>
<p>Geoff&#8217;s ongoing challenge is to take Barry Allen and make him the main Flash again and give the book a unique voice and character all it&#8217;s own, while still maintaining Barry&#8217;s rather simple core values. Sure he is forcing it a bit when trying to make the characters younger and relatable but by adapting previous storytelling techniques into the new stories in a tongue in cheek manner he is ramping up not only the fun factor but the nostalgia factor as well. It&#8217;s not completely on target but I think he is getting there. It is definitely another step in the right direction. I can&#8217;t fault him for wanting to utilize the past instead of completely casting it aside as so many creators do these days.<br />
<span class="cluv">Devin &#8220;The Flash&#8221; Johnson recently posted&#8230;<a class="3450a4b0d7 17451" href="http://fastestfanalive.deviantart.com/journal/31391411/">Design and Win Your Own Flash Ring Contest!</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip  17451" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://speedforce.org/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheartplus.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ken O</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelson, I agree with your Rebirth opinions.  And Rebirth came out when I was in a situation where I couldn&#039;t pick up monthly books, so I read it all in one sitting.  

So far the new series is so much better then Rebirth was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelson, I agree with your Rebirth opinions.  And Rebirth came out when I was in a situation where I couldn&#8217;t pick up monthly books, so I read it all in one sitting.  </p>
<p>So far the new series is so much better then Rebirth was.<br />
<span class="cluv">Ken O recently posted&#8230;<a class="963c17ec0f 17421" href="http://fingmonkey.blogspot.com/2010/07/happy-shark-week.html">Happy Shark Week!</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip  17421" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://speedforce.org/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17420</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said before, DC and Geoff Johns could easily have skipped &lt;i&gt;Flash: Rebirth&lt;/i&gt; and jumped straight into this, and I believe it would have worked.

I just didn&#039;t find it to be much of a compelling story. It felt like Geoff Johns had written it from a checklist: Kill X, bring Y back, race Superman, change costumes, etc. And it felt like it was trying too hard to &lt;em&gt;justify&lt;/em&gt; the new status quo it was setting up instead of just &lt;em&gt;presenting&lt;/em&gt; it and saying, &quot;Here&#039;s the new setup. Here&#039;s Barry. We could tell you he&#039;s awesome, but it&#039;s better if you see for yourself.&quot;  That&#039;s more of what we&#039;ve gotten in the ongoing.

I could go on, but I&#039;ve got &lt;a href=&quot;http://speedforce.org/reviews/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;six reviews&lt;/a&gt; and a number of opinion pieces about the miniseries on this site that do a more thorough job of explaining my reactions to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said before, DC and Geoff Johns could easily have skipped <i>Flash: Rebirth</i> and jumped straight into this, and I believe it would have worked.</p>
<p>I just didn&#8217;t find it to be much of a compelling story. It felt like Geoff Johns had written it from a checklist: Kill X, bring Y back, race Superman, change costumes, etc. And it felt like it was trying too hard to <em>justify</em> the new status quo it was setting up instead of just <em>presenting</em> it and saying, &#8220;Here&#8217;s the new setup. Here&#8217;s Barry. We could tell you he&#8217;s awesome, but it&#8217;s better if you see for yourself.&#8221;  That&#8217;s more of what we&#8217;ve gotten in the ongoing.</p>
<p>I could go on, but I&#8217;ve got <a href="http://speedforce.org/reviews/" rel="nofollow">six reviews</a> and a number of opinion pieces about the miniseries on this site that do a more thorough job of explaining my reactions to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17419</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...because I liked it overall, but was disappointed in some elements, it&#039;s a &quot;really negative&quot; review?

Wow.

Or are you referring to my opinion of &lt;i&gt;Rebirth&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;because I liked it overall, but was disappointed in some elements, it&#8217;s a &#8220;really negative&#8221; review?</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Or are you referring to my opinion of <i>Rebirth</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: firestormfan89</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17416</link>
		<dc:creator>firestormfan89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have really been enjoying the new Flash ongoing especially the gimmicks of Barry using his super speed.  Manapul&#039;s art is terrific and reminds me of the great Carmine Infantino.  Interesting thoughts about what&#039;s in the file.  I think the supporting characters in this comic are great, comics in general need more of that like back in the good old days when every character had a cast of extras including friends, foils, and foes.  Nice review Kelson keep riding the lightning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have really been enjoying the new Flash ongoing especially the gimmicks of Barry using his super speed.  Manapul&#8217;s art is terrific and reminds me of the great Carmine Infantino.  Interesting thoughts about what&#8217;s in the file.  I think the supporting characters in this comic are great, comics in general need more of that like back in the good old days when every character had a cast of extras including friends, foils, and foes.  Nice review Kelson keep riding the lightning!</p>
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		<title>By: Heatwave</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17414</link>
		<dc:creator>Heatwave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... that was a really negative review for a story that, in my opinion, is one of the best Flash stories in years.  The FLASH FACT pages are a nice fun addition to the Flash book too.  A Flash book hasn&#039;t had anything cool like that in years?  Barry Allen has been portrayed very solid in Rebirth (with more depth) and in this 1st ongoing arc (with 100% more fun).  DC is doing an fantastic job reestablishing Barry Allen as the main Flash once again.  After 23 years of being trapped with a &quot;noble death&quot;, he&#039;s free for a new generation of fans.  I look forward to seeing what DC does with Wally, Jay, Bart, Max, Jesse, and the rest of the Flash family!  GO DC!!  GO FLASH!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; that was a really negative review for a story that, in my opinion, is one of the best Flash stories in years.  The FLASH FACT pages are a nice fun addition to the Flash book too.  A Flash book hasn&#8217;t had anything cool like that in years?  Barry Allen has been portrayed very solid in Rebirth (with more depth) and in this 1st ongoing arc (with 100% more fun).  DC is doing an fantastic job reestablishing Barry Allen as the main Flash once again.  After 23 years of being trapped with a &#8220;noble death&#8221;, he&#8217;s free for a new generation of fans.  I look forward to seeing what DC does with Wally, Jay, Bart, Max, Jesse, and the rest of the Flash family!  GO DC!!  GO FLASH!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fastest</title>
		<link>http://speedforce.org/2010/07/review-the-flash-4/#comment-17409</link>
		<dc:creator>Fastest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Flash: Rebirth, it doesn&#039;t sound like you&#039;re critiquing the book so much as what happened to Wally.  As a Bart fan, I could say the Full Throttle was a terrible story, but it wasn&#039;t.  It was very good.  

I think you&#039;re taking it all a little too personally man.  Geoff loves Wally.  I mean, Flash: Rebirth #4 was like a love letter to Wally West.  Who&#039;s the only person who can travel to the speed force and bring back Barry and Max?  Why, Wally West of course. The Flash.  The one speedster in the DCU who has more experience with the various aspects the speed force brings than anyone.  That&#039;s Wally&#039;s place.  He&#039;s the expert.

Just because Barry is the engine powering the speed force does not make Wally West any less relevant.  Before Rebirth, there was no place for Barry Allen, one had to be created for him.  And one was.  In a pretty awesome story that set up a lot of beats that seem pretty exciting and have me looking forward to the Flash book.  Hell, it brought all of the speedsters together as a cohesive unit, the Speed Force.  And in a year, we&#039;ll get a major Flash event, and a second title.  In the mean time, we just have to wait and be patient while Geoff introduces us all to Barry Allen.

And as far as demonic possession goes, I see your point.  If demonic possession was a threat, it should have been an established threat at the start of the arc.  But, technically what Top told Barry is hints at the future.  This arc seems to be mainly about dealing with Captain Boomerang and the Renegades, so perhaps by having Top telling us now, Geoff is in fact setting up the demonic possession card well in advance of him actually using it.

I.Strange also brings up a valid point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Flash: Rebirth, it doesn&#8217;t sound like you&#8217;re critiquing the book so much as what happened to Wally.  As a Bart fan, I could say the Full Throttle was a terrible story, but it wasn&#8217;t.  It was very good.  </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re taking it all a little too personally man.  Geoff loves Wally.  I mean, Flash: Rebirth #4 was like a love letter to Wally West.  Who&#8217;s the only person who can travel to the speed force and bring back Barry and Max?  Why, Wally West of course. The Flash.  The one speedster in the DCU who has more experience with the various aspects the speed force brings than anyone.  That&#8217;s Wally&#8217;s place.  He&#8217;s the expert.</p>
<p>Just because Barry is the engine powering the speed force does not make Wally West any less relevant.  Before Rebirth, there was no place for Barry Allen, one had to be created for him.  And one was.  In a pretty awesome story that set up a lot of beats that seem pretty exciting and have me looking forward to the Flash book.  Hell, it brought all of the speedsters together as a cohesive unit, the Speed Force.  And in a year, we&#8217;ll get a major Flash event, and a second title.  In the mean time, we just have to wait and be patient while Geoff introduces us all to Barry Allen.</p>
<p>And as far as demonic possession goes, I see your point.  If demonic possession was a threat, it should have been an established threat at the start of the arc.  But, technically what Top told Barry is hints at the future.  This arc seems to be mainly about dealing with Captain Boomerang and the Renegades, so perhaps by having Top telling us now, Geoff is in fact setting up the demonic possession card well in advance of him actually using it.</p>
<p>I.Strange also brings up a valid point.</p>
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